Dj ing software

[fifa]

so wats your opinion of using software to dj instaed of turntables?

[Fawzi]

It may be an easier tool, & DJs can get criticized for it, but it still doesnt matter, what matters is the MUSIC!!

[A-Cube]

the so-called "djs" who use softwares 2 mix songs r a bunch of retards...simply...how would u feel if armin van buuren came & started mixin on his laptop in front of 1000s of ppl...no vibe whatsoever...hopefully there will be laws bannin the use of these softwares

[crow]

Oh really? So we're all pretty much retards? Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know you were pretty much the smartest person out there cuz you used turntables and/or CD players! Excuse our utter stupidity and lack of intelligence since we are unable to either afford turntables and cd players or even want to use them!
FYI, Pvd, Armin, Ferry, Tiesto, Marcel Woods, Gabriel & Dresden, Airwave...etc. and all your fave jocks out there use mixing software such as Traktor, Ableton Live, Final Scratch, Scratch Live.
How's that for being retarded for you?
The fact that you called us retards shows how much info u've got about mixing software.
I'm a proud user of both Virtual DJ and Traktor 3 and I'm in love with them! I'm sure lots of DJ's out there feel the same way about using mixing software. So really, A-Cube, think again before judging mixing software and the DJ's who use it.

You me

[A-Cube]

well dear Crow every1 has his own opinion...did i attack u in any way??FYI i m talkin abt usin softwares when playin live...i didnt say anythin abt compilations(not that i m in favor of makin them through softwares as well)...in my opinion again i think the development in the DJing industry is killin all the fun in it...soon "turntables" that work on ipods...some djs wont bother anymore bringin cd or vinyl cases 2 browse in them while they play(thats half the fun)...4 me no software will ever replace that...& btw i ve been djing 4 3 yrs now & i still cant afford turntables so dont worry abt that point...& all the djs u named use softwares...its true but they dont do a concert through them!!!!...the day a big DJ will come 2 beirut & do a whole concert on a PC well an era will end...

again i dont understand the hostility...retards is a big word yeah but i m just mad seein every person who knows how 2 use a DJing software without any knowledge of the real deal(aka cd players & turntables) tag himself with the DJ identity...

[Icepick]

[crow]

wow
you really proved to me and everyone reading this forum that u have no idea whatsoever of what's going on in the industry!
1) you didn't specify that you were addressing live sets with the use of mixing software!
2) ipods are ALREADY being used as turntables! wake up n smell the coffee mr "ive been djing for 3 to 4 years" you should know this by now if ur argueing about a topic like this!
3) turntables are expensive and pressing vinyls are not as cheap as u think they are! vinyl pressing companies are
4) everything is turning from analog to digital, even the releases!! wether you u like it or not!
5) all the djs i named USED software in their gigs! u just dont c them!!! check out Airwave's set in Prague or Budapest, he used ableton. Gabriel & Dresden till this very moment use Ableton in their sets! Satoshi Tommie used mixing software in his latest set in Peppermint, Dubai. Shane54 isn't also called "LAPTOP DJ" for nothing!. Everything is turning digital once again.
6) if your perspective about djs using mixing softwares live wont change then im sorry but u better quit attending gigs right now cuz 2 or 3 years from now, everyone will be pretty much using mixing software, and if not, mixers will make the whole DJ job a lot easier. People dont attend events and gigs for what the DJ uses, but for the music the selection the DJ makes.

You know what? I'm glad that the G&D event in Leb was cancelled (no offence guys) cuz if you would'v attended it, you would'v quit attending gigs from that point!

7) You're assumptions about ppl using mixing softwares and not knowing the "real deal" is totally wrong! And even if they did, so what? I started off with mixing software and when I tried using decks things were pretty easy for me cuz I have an idea of how things work THANKS TO MIXING SOFTWARE!

"DJ"s like you who are so materialistic about the whole "no mixing software" policy will get flushed down the toilet pretty soon as long as u keep that concept in ur head! A DJ shouldn't be judged by the equipment used, but by the track selection and the interaction with the crowd! They're not rockstars for us to judge their equipment! If Joe Satriani came out on stage with a laptop and made clicked some guitar strings off his laptop then yeah I would definitely spit on him and leave! That's because he's a rockstar! His guitar is his instrument! But we're DJ's! We merely play and mix music! So it wouldn't really make a difference if we used laptops or decks or even laptops AND decks together!

Get over it buddy!
I respect people's opinions who are backed up by solid info, but honestly, your opinion is just not backed up well for me to respect it. You're just another pissed off lad who wants the whole industry to stick to one thing n never change cuz it LOOKS "professional"! Being a DJ isn't about the looks, it's about the music. I don't attend Ferry's gigs cuz he uses the MKIII's and the XONE:92, I attend his gigs cuz he plays really good music and he understands his crowd very well.
If the mixing software is of good quality then surely its worth being used. It also hit me in the head that I think you think that mixing software is all about a click of a button. Some software are like that yeah and I'd understand your opinion there cuz it would be pretty pointless for a DJ to go up stage and click one button thru out every transition. A good mixing software gives the "feel" of being a dj and at the same offer the liquidity of using the software itself.

I hope I made myself clear right there....

[crow]

I'm sorry Icepick but I wouldn't go for Oakenfold's words here... He's just another DJ gone dumb by saying "the art of being a dj"
there's no art in being a dj! the fact that he used the word art along with the word dj degrades my respect to him.being a dj doesnt include any sort of art or whatever! you go up there, udnerstand ur crowd, pull out some gr8 records or cds to play, mix well, and that's it! bala art bala fart!

[Icepick]

^LOL man....he takes it as an art others take it in another way...

[A-Cube]

[A-Cube]

[crow]

I'm not being aggressive, I'm simply telling you to wake up and look around you! Enta your telling me the reason you don't follow up with software cuz you don't like the idea? You didn't even try using them man!! If I came up to you and told you to stop lsning to some producer's tracks cuz he/she sucks then would u simply stop lsning? No! Naturally you would listen to his/her work and then judge. Enta your basing ur opinions on nothing cuz u simply don't like the "look" of a dj on stage with a laptop. If you're perspective about mixing software being similar to VDJ then you've got a lot to catch up with buddy! Basically you're being too materialistic about being a DJ and not being someone who understands the REAL idea behind being one. To you, being a DJ is all about looks and not the music, well at least mostly looks.
If you think that its being pathetic to use software, or software with decks then really you need to quit now!
Dude, can you imagine the music industry with mixers that are still analog?? The fact that the new mixers can handle the "key"ing process of tracks for DJ's simply means its being run by software. The fact that the new mixers and cd players (and some turntables) show you the BPM of the track is also being run by imbedded software! On top of all that, the new decks have a waveform display of the tracks themselves! That's EXACTLY like what you see in mixing software. And when did these things appear? After mixing software were introduced!!
How can you call top DJ's pathetic when using software alone or along with their decks when you get someone like Paul van Dyk using Final Scratch since 2003?! Wo mat2elle that he sux, cuz everyone out there knows he's that damn good! I don't care if he's number 1, number 99, or number 3amtak!

EDIT:
no I'm not saying that being a DJ is simple!! but it's not hard to get into it! that's why i don't refer to it as an art!! Art requires talent! Being a SCRATCH DJ is KIND of an art since it's not easy at all to get into it! If you don't know what a scratch dj is, go to wikipidea and check it out. Or go to youtube and search for DJ KENTARO.

[A-Cube]

[Nino]

[Raneem]

Interesting discussion!
Both of you, Crow and A-Cube, got some interesting points..
I just wanna state my opinion, which is just a mix of both, plus some additional things..
Mind you, Advances in technology in general, advances in Software live mixing more specifically, such as BPM Studio, Virtaul DJ, PCDJ etc... are made only for making things easier for EVERYONE.
First, making things easier for DJS, who neither have to carry with them their Cd Bags, nor worry about any defected CD or something like this. Yes it makes lose the real feeling of hardware, but that's just a feeling. If technology is making things simpler, we reject it? If you really do care about hardware mixing, then you can use both, just like how PVD is doing. But sooner or later, Technology will dominate, if we like it or not.
Second, softwares are made for people who don't have the budget to buy some real equipments. These people are really thankful for these big companies who had the idea to create such softwares. It gave the opportunity to many people to practice & record sets at home, without having big amount of money to buy the hardware. This also gave the opportunity to more djs to appear in the scene.

Now the "bad" thing (not really bad..but that's how it looks like) is that all people who wanna be djs are being able to be djs..Why? it's because of software mixing, simply.. Before softwares, a DJ was something interesting and important. Nowadays, with Technology, even a donkey can DJ if he has a software at home..Now what's the special thing in DJiing if everyone is a dj now? Well, many things play a role, and the most insteresting thing is CREATIVITY ..
I just wanna compare the Djiing thing to businesses..When Competition is created, you have to create something that gives you a competitive advantage, taking into consideration the technology available..
You can't just sit there being resistant to change just because Hardware mixing makes you feel better...DJiing is usually represented by a Mixer, and 2 Turntables, and a headphone...But should this be forever? Things change, and we have to change with them. I guess in the future, Djiing will be represented with a Laptop, and some "earphones" instead of "headphones"..Actually, not only djiing; everything will be represented by a Laptop soon..That's a fact, and each person is free to accept it or not.. But in the end, things will keep changing & changing..Are we gonna stay using real turntables? i don't think this will exist anymore in 2 more DJS generation, because they will start practicing on Softwares, and not on hardwares..
A-Cube, you're resistant to your idea because you started with Hardware (i did too btw), and you're addicted to it.. But imagine, 10 yrs from now, a Young person starting to practice Djiing on SOFTWARE..for sure he's gonna be addicted to Software, and will never know about Hardware (because in 10 yrs, hardware is considered non-existant)..
I respect your opinions both of you btw.. You both got some points. I really feel bad about losing the real touch of a CD in the future (never tried a Vinyl), but also feels happy to see new technology making things easier & easier..

(i guess it's my first "long" Post in TH )