to sum up my opinion of tiesto:
Magik series rocked (what i heard:5,6,7)
ISOS3 is my favorite all-time compilation, and i believe the previous ISOS's should be almost as good
ISOS4 was pretty enjoyable to hear
Nyana was simply amazing
Just Be and In My Memory were great Artist Albums!
TIC was quiet an original idea.
Old and a few new remixes
What I did not like:
doing repetitive TiCs
Parade of The Atheletes sucked
Traffic was crap
A few other tunes here and there were also crap
People overrating Tiesto constantly and oversupporting him
no excuse for train wrecking by the number 1 dj in the world
To All Tiesto Fans...
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by bxtreme » Thu May 26, 2005 11:10 pm
dude he has been doing it for ages... and he is getting alot of credit for it. dont u think he should do it ALOT less frequently... ive heard many ppl telling me he trainwrecks alot..its not like he did it like once in a while 
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by Guest » Fri May 27, 2005 1:40 pm
I would love to learn from our fellow participant System S what is the definition of a "commercial" concert.
And speaking of definitions, please enlighten me (not just you, mind you) on the issue of who gets to rate who is the best DJ in the world. Is it ordinary people just like you and me or is it not.
What does it mean to speak of an "overrated" DJ? Who gets to "overrate" him? (any answer that would solely include money tycoons, marketting companies and record labels would be incomplete at best)
I am relieved to hear that all the participants' comments are subjective and heavily biased with regard to Tiesto. That is only fair and part of the game (since each and every one of us has the right to support his or her DJ), but I would once again love to hear objective and constructive criticism when discussing a DJ's skills, work or performances
(Bxtreme, being a moderator, I would seriously expect less confidence and more evidence when openly revealing that Tiesto trainwrecks numerously. At least "appear" suspcisious like Dio, but don't make it conclusive evidence by just saying "I heard many people"...)
Just one final thought: I suggest any of us picks another DJ (in other words, other than DJ Tiesto) and try to play this same game of working so hard the find the tiniest weakness or imperfection such DJ has. Wouldn't you all agree that we could be finding considerably a lot more imperfections than you guys are finding in Tiesto.
For example: Armin is perfect in progressive Trance, but can he actually produce music as good as Paul Van Dyk? Can Paul Van Dyk perform live better than Tiesto? and so on and so forth....
The man is not perfect, that is fixed and only a fanatica fan would try to disrove that. But I say Tiesto, Paul Van Dyk (whose style I often find a bit too beat-based) and Paul Oakenfold (and I don't pick these three names randomly, but because their contributions to the Dance community have been unmatachable) have been and will always be first-rate DJs/producers in terms of both popularity and mixing/producing skills.
Try to ask yourself this question, it's very simple yet requires serious thinking and a solid musical and historical background: Why is Tiesto number one? Why has he been number one for the past three years?
Any serious attempt at answering such questions would help us all in solving this puzzle that has been built around Tiesto in this forum.
Bilal
And speaking of definitions, please enlighten me (not just you, mind you) on the issue of who gets to rate who is the best DJ in the world. Is it ordinary people just like you and me or is it not.
What does it mean to speak of an "overrated" DJ? Who gets to "overrate" him? (any answer that would solely include money tycoons, marketting companies and record labels would be incomplete at best)
I am relieved to hear that all the participants' comments are subjective and heavily biased with regard to Tiesto. That is only fair and part of the game (since each and every one of us has the right to support his or her DJ), but I would once again love to hear objective and constructive criticism when discussing a DJ's skills, work or performances
(Bxtreme, being a moderator, I would seriously expect less confidence and more evidence when openly revealing that Tiesto trainwrecks numerously. At least "appear" suspcisious like Dio, but don't make it conclusive evidence by just saying "I heard many people"...)
Just one final thought: I suggest any of us picks another DJ (in other words, other than DJ Tiesto) and try to play this same game of working so hard the find the tiniest weakness or imperfection such DJ has. Wouldn't you all agree that we could be finding considerably a lot more imperfections than you guys are finding in Tiesto.
For example: Armin is perfect in progressive Trance, but can he actually produce music as good as Paul Van Dyk? Can Paul Van Dyk perform live better than Tiesto? and so on and so forth....
The man is not perfect, that is fixed and only a fanatica fan would try to disrove that. But I say Tiesto, Paul Van Dyk (whose style I often find a bit too beat-based) and Paul Oakenfold (and I don't pick these three names randomly, but because their contributions to the Dance community have been unmatachable) have been and will always be first-rate DJs/producers in terms of both popularity and mixing/producing skills.
Try to ask yourself this question, it's very simple yet requires serious thinking and a solid musical and historical background: Why is Tiesto number one? Why has he been number one for the past three years?
Any serious attempt at answering such questions would help us all in solving this puzzle that has been built around Tiesto in this forum.
Bilal
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by DIONYSOS » Fri May 27, 2005 9:37 pm
It is impossible for me to briefly express my mind on this issue, so here is my elaborate opinion on the matter:
Tiesto the producer:
Tiesto is, overall, a good producer (with the exception of some tracks that I personally disliked but that million others loved). He is one of the pioneers of Trance, and his current sound is not at all outdated or cliche; it is by no means "cheesy", and like any other music producers out there from all genres, some people love his work while others don't. However, I do not consider him as the best producer today; he's just another name in the list of producers I like.
Tiesto the DJ:
Although I'm not at all into livesets, but the few Tiesto tracklists I layed my eyes on didn't disappoint me. As for his compilations, they happen to be some of the finest Trance compilations out there, from Magik to ISOS, and they're some of the few compilations that serve as perfect introductions to Trance for the newbie. And I highly doubt that someone who has been deejaying for, what, twenty years, does constant trainwrecks... Still, I do not consider him as the #1 DJ in the world, for the simple fact that I don't care much about rankings; I just care about music, and whoever delivers quality music to my ears, whether it is Tiesto or my cousin's neighbour, wins my vote. There is no such thing as "the greatest DJ in the world" anyway! There are different music genres and leading DJs for each genre that define the sound and spread it to the masses. Take a smaller scale: compare AMADEUS and maDJam - who is better? Neither one! AMADEUS is spreading the true Trance sound in Lebanon, and maDJam is doing the same but for House. Equally, Tiesto is no better than Sasha nor Carl Cox nor John Fleming (he is way better than Genesis though... die Irish pig!
).
Tiesto the celebrity:
This is perhaps the one point where I come at odds with Tiesto fans. I am not against Trance gaining more popularity, but I am against Trance completely moving out of its underground lair into the commercial mainstream. Perhaps only those who, like me, who have accompanied Trance since its very early days will understand my point here. When we started listening to Trance, no one had even heard of this kind of music, perhaps not even Tiesto's current manager. We were a "rare species", and our love for Trance was simply love for this magical music. In contrast, a new wave of trancers are emerging today, two different types of trancers actually: those who, like us in our early days, are exploring this music that is new to them with such passion, and others who actually "listen to Tiesto and not to Trance" because he is all they know, and anything that doesn't "Tiesto" written all over it is considered crap by these people; trust me, I've seen them, and they're numerous, and I made them listen to several quality tracks, and if it wasn't Tiesto they would'nt even care to give it a listen, and when I made them hear a low-quality track produced by an amateur friend of mine who is just learning how to produce and told them that it was made by Tiesto, they loved it and snatched the CD out of my hands! My problem is not at all with Tiesto - it is with these musical ignorants who do not even deserve to listen to Tiesto's music. And I repeat - they are numerous.
None of you should rationally label Tiesto's productions as "cheese"; they might not appeal to your taste, but keep in mind that an Armin release that makes thousands of clubbers weap may equally not appeal to your taste either, but you never call Armin cheesy do you?
No one can say that Tiesto is a bad DJ - he constantly plays pre-releases, mixes them like any other DJ does, and sends you home with a smile on your face (most of you at least).
As for Tiesto the celebrity, I understand that we might not want Trance to go so mainstream, but it's not Tiesto's fault if some of his fans are harming the scene by causing it to over-grow.
In sum,
Tiesto the producer:
Tiesto is, overall, a good producer (with the exception of some tracks that I personally disliked but that million others loved). He is one of the pioneers of Trance, and his current sound is not at all outdated or cliche; it is by no means "cheesy", and like any other music producers out there from all genres, some people love his work while others don't. However, I do not consider him as the best producer today; he's just another name in the list of producers I like.
Tiesto the DJ:
Although I'm not at all into livesets, but the few Tiesto tracklists I layed my eyes on didn't disappoint me. As for his compilations, they happen to be some of the finest Trance compilations out there, from Magik to ISOS, and they're some of the few compilations that serve as perfect introductions to Trance for the newbie. And I highly doubt that someone who has been deejaying for, what, twenty years, does constant trainwrecks... Still, I do not consider him as the #1 DJ in the world, for the simple fact that I don't care much about rankings; I just care about music, and whoever delivers quality music to my ears, whether it is Tiesto or my cousin's neighbour, wins my vote. There is no such thing as "the greatest DJ in the world" anyway! There are different music genres and leading DJs for each genre that define the sound and spread it to the masses. Take a smaller scale: compare AMADEUS and maDJam - who is better? Neither one! AMADEUS is spreading the true Trance sound in Lebanon, and maDJam is doing the same but for House. Equally, Tiesto is no better than Sasha nor Carl Cox nor John Fleming (he is way better than Genesis though... die Irish pig!
).
Tiesto the celebrity:
This is perhaps the one point where I come at odds with Tiesto fans. I am not against Trance gaining more popularity, but I am against Trance completely moving out of its underground lair into the commercial mainstream. Perhaps only those who, like me, who have accompanied Trance since its very early days will understand my point here. When we started listening to Trance, no one had even heard of this kind of music, perhaps not even Tiesto's current manager. We were a "rare species", and our love for Trance was simply love for this magical music. In contrast, a new wave of trancers are emerging today, two different types of trancers actually: those who, like us in our early days, are exploring this music that is new to them with such passion, and others who actually "listen to Tiesto and not to Trance" because he is all they know, and anything that doesn't "Tiesto" written all over it is considered crap by these people; trust me, I've seen them, and they're numerous, and I made them listen to several quality tracks, and if it wasn't Tiesto they would'nt even care to give it a listen, and when I made them hear a low-quality track produced by an amateur friend of mine who is just learning how to produce and told them that it was made by Tiesto, they loved it and snatched the CD out of my hands! My problem is not at all with Tiesto - it is with these musical ignorants who do not even deserve to listen to Tiesto's music. And I repeat - they are numerous.
None of you should rationally label Tiesto's productions as "cheese"; they might not appeal to your taste, but keep in mind that an Armin release that makes thousands of clubbers weap may equally not appeal to your taste either, but you never call Armin cheesy do you?
No one can say that Tiesto is a bad DJ - he constantly plays pre-releases, mixes them like any other DJ does, and sends you home with a smile on your face (most of you at least).
As for Tiesto the celebrity, I understand that we might not want Trance to go so mainstream, but it's not Tiesto's fault if some of his fans are harming the scene by causing it to over-grow.
In sum,
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